What a funny concept and what an immature justification. To say that the present generation has to pay for something that their fore-fathers did and to quote the Bhagavad Gita in support is not only stupidity it also displays the backwardness of the person saying so.
If you still don't know about it, this is what a Supreme Court judge of India was saying in order to defend reservations for SC/ST/OBC.
It also makes me laugh that around 30% of the population is SC/ST/OBC and we are asking 50% reservation for them at various posts. To clarify-
1) Any section of the society which comprises 30% of the population is not to be considered as a minority.So how can they be given reservation which is a concept related with minority.
2) To give them more than their percentage in population is discriminating towards others.
Now if it is not enough, Reservation is being called to extend in private sectors too.What a joke!
If 50% of the posts will go to 30% of the population then out of the remaining 70% only 50% will get selected.Where will the remaining 20% go??? Outside the country perhaps.
And then we creen and fight on how to stop Brain Drain.Are all these things some kind of a joke??.
Isn't there any person in the higher echleons of the politicial muddle who has got some sense and can raise this point?
You are forcing 20% of the population to leave the country and then you tell the youth to think of ways to reverse Brain Drain.
They say our country is democratic.You can speak your mind. But who hears you? No one. That is India's democracy.You can speak anything you want but no one will listen to you. Then people talk about change. This makes me agnostic.
How long will the people live in the dark?
How long???
Note-This series is the first in a list which will bare the hollowed ideals of our great country which prides itself on people who are not even part of the country(Take for example honouring
Kalpana Chawla or Mittal) and ignore the real heroes.
6 comments:
> OBC/SC/ST are the underprivileged section.
> They are poor for no fault of theirs.
> They are definitely not as intelligent as the rest of the society, but that does not mean that they are not equally hardworking.
> The only way they can reach the same level in society is by giving them a better chance.
> Reservation does exactly that.
> From the point of view of greater good of the nation, it is necessary that everyone reaches the same level of prosperity
Since you have so neatly elucidated everything(wrongly),
*I do not agree with your point.They may have been the underpriviliged section but they are not anymore.If you consider that point I being from a family of brahmins am also underpriviliged since i come from a village where there was no school,no hospital,no governmental organisation for that matter only snakes and wolves(Some hounds as well)unless you have some other definition of underprivileged . And when did caste form a basis for being underprivileged.
*Poverty is not a fault I agree but for that matter nothing we do wrong is our fault. Read my earlier post on Poverty being a boon not bane.
*When did only hardwork got you to the top??if only hardwork mattered people who work in Dharavi slums work twice as hard as anyone else.
*That statement makes me think you are a SC/ST/OBC.Which level are you talking about???
*Reservation is no good.If it were, the countries from which we have copied our Constitution would have implemented it already(namely UK and US).
*If that were true the makers of our Constitution would have implemented Socialist instead of Democratic form of Government.
As I have already mentioned in a previous post,it is of nobody's good that everyone be equal.It is contrary to what is found in nature(Remember Evolution taught in Sixth Standard).Only the fittest must survive.
If you want better opinions on Poverty read my post on the topic.
December 18, 2008 10:08 PM
Anyways I have to admit that you are the first regular visitor of my blog.
Ok Sir,I checked your facts and found them to be quite consistent. But I have sat for JEE and couldn't qualify because of the reservations,I could have been in there but for these reservations.So you can say I am a little biased.
You have mentioned in your post that SC/ST's must be given privileges only till high school. I completely agree with you but the thing is that I am not happy with the current state of affairs.
You mentioned about economic underprivileged being given reservations and if your assumption that OBC's are backward and underprivileged is true-why not make economic unprivilegedness as the basis of reservation instead of caste.
Did you know that there are lakhs of so called higher caste students in UP/Bihar who inspite of being intelligent do not get a chance to go to college( I say from experience-My father was one of them and i have seen these students,many are better than me) .Are they any less worthy of any reservations?? Are they children of a lesser God??
Why not while defending reservations people suggest economical basis instead of stating facts about caste???
Hi Ashutosh,
I understand what you are saying. This country needs to do a lot to provide equal opportunities to everyone in the country.
I have certain things to say about reservations which again may be biased but I will try to be as rationale as possible.
Why reservations to SC/ST?
I am not taking up the case of OBCs as I dont understand the state of that community much. I will only talk about SC/ST. There is no denying of the fact that SC/ST have been exploited by upper castes including OBCs, brahmins, shatriyas etc. for thousands of years. They were exploited in most inhumane ways. A class of them was considered untouchable which were ironically also mistreated by some "relatively forward" castes within SC's. Shudras were restricted to do jobs that were considered very lowly and were never given opportunities to study or trade etc. I am not going to go deep into the history and only talk about the implications of history on the present and the ways to rectify the wrong doings of history. I agree that it is not fair to punish upper castes today for the wrong doings of their forefathers who lived thousands of years ago and they too did all the wrong doings because that is how the society worked at that time.
Because of shameful history of our society there are certain sections that are treated below humans and looked at with contempt by so called upper castes(and they are big in numbers, its very important to understand that they are very big in numbers). This is called as social backwardness. This phenomena is not so prevalent in cities but is very much alive in its brutal forms in villages and I have myself witnessed it. It was much worse a few generations back.
How can social backwardness be treated? In my opinion social backwardness can be treated by uplifting the backward people and bringing them to levels where over a period of time they will start getting valued and respected within society. Providing reservations in colleges and govt jobs is a step in that direction which is meant for both uplifting their social as well as economical status. And this has worked to some extent and I cant quantify it but today the number of people looking at SC/STs as equal humans have increased manyfolds.
#My thoughts on reservations based on economic criteria:
I am all for it only if it could be properly implemented. SC/STs form most of our below poverty line population, so, they would be covered plus all poor upper caste people will also be covered. What is the problem with it? The problem is that most people in our country are not employed by government and they are either self employed or employed by people who regularly cheat government on their financial accountablity. Its very easy to show that you earn only Rs.2000 per month while you might be earning Rs.20,000 per month.
Getting a SC/ST cast certificate is relatively much more difficult and is a deterrent also because most upper castes people's pride would be hurt in availing caste certificate of SC/ST and they would also need to do a lot of chamcha baaji to get it done. It took my father about 2 years to get a caste certificate issued for me in Delhi. (It would have been easier in my home state UP in my village I must admit)
#On your disappointments for some intelligent people from upper castes not making it to say IIT because of reservations:
This is where stats are important to understand and be given the importance they deserve. SC/ST reservation percentage is in sync with their percentage population. Given that they are also human beings and equally competent with their biological abilities they would have taken their pie of 24% seats on an average irresepective of the reservation if majority of them were given good opportunities in upbringing and good education as with most of the upper caste community guys who make it to IIT.
So, please don't let any upper caste guy repent in the name of equality and thinking that he could have made it to IIT had there been no reservations as he is asking for a pie that does not belong to him if there were true equality in the first place to begin with.
I can go on and on this issue but let me stop here as I have a flight to catch :)
I hope this gives you a better understanding of reservations and why they are not as much evil as they are normally presented by upper caste people. I am for providing equal opportunity to all and I also don't like the way reservations are dealt with today but I dont deny their need and I strongly feel that they should be used as a tool of upliftment in a better way and politics should stay away from this issue. Unfortunately I dont have enough time to explain what is wrong with current reservations and how they can be improved and eventually eliminated. I talked little bit about it in my previous post.
My best wishes for you.
Dear Ashutosh,
You need to more prompt in responding on your own blog :)
Otherwise all of your hardwork will go in vain and you will not gain regular visitors on your blog.
Cheers!
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